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Scientists with the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST) claim NASA’s results ‘re-confirm’ what they’d already achieved, and have plans to implement it in satellites ‘as quickly as possible.’ China claims they’ve created a working prototype of the ‘impossible’ reactionless engine – and they say they’re already testing it in orbit aboard the Tiangong-2 space laboratory. The radical, fuel-free EmDrive recently stirred up controversy after a paper published by a team of NASA researchers appeared to show they’d successfully built the technology.

The implications for this could be huge. For instance, current satellites could be half the size they are today without the need to carry fuel.

At a press conference in Beijing, researchers with CAST confirmed the government has been funding research into the technology since 2010, and claimed they’ve developed a device that’s already being tested in low-Earth orbit, IBTimes UK reports. It comes just a month after anonymous sources told IBTimes UK that tests on the EmDrive were underway aboard Tiangong-2 shown below.




‘National research institutions in recent years have carried out a series of long-term, repeated tests on the EmDrive,’ Dr Chen Yue, head of the communication satellite division at Cast said at the press conference, IBTimes UK reports.

‘NASA’s published test results can be said to re-confirm the technology. We have successfully developed several specifications of multiple prototype principles.

‘The establishment of an experimental verification platform to complete the milli-level micro thrust measurement test, as well as several years of repeated experiments and investigations into corresponding interference factors, confirm that in this type of thruster, thrust exists.’

On November 20th, NASA's long-awaited EM Drive paper was peer-reviewed and published. And it showed that the 'impossible' propulsion system appears to work. Tests carried out by both NASA and independent researchers confirmed that the drive was able to produce thrust in a vacuum that would allow us to reach the moon in just four hours, Mars in 70 days, and Pluto in just 18 months.

The NASA Eagleworks Laboratory team in what is the first peer-reviewed research ever published on the EM Drive, lays out the hypothesis for how the EM Drive could produce thrust – something that would appear impossible according to our current understanding of the laws of physics.

The full and official peer-reviewed paper regarding the drive appeared online through the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)’s Journal of Propulsion and Power. It's a big milestone, said Motherboard yesterday, "but keep in mind that peer-review doesn't mean the argument necessarily holds water, only that the measures taken to arrive at the conclusion were considered sound."

The EM Drive, or Electromagnetic Drive, is a propulsion system first proposed by British inventor Roger Shawyer back in 1999 based on the theory of special relativity, electricity converted into microwaves and fired within a truncated cone-shaped closed metal cavity causes the microwave particles to exert more force on the flat surface at the large end of the cone (there is less combined particle momentum at the narrow end due to a reduction in group particle velocity), generating thrust.

In order to minimise the internal Doppler shift (the change in frequency or wavelength of a wave for an observer moving relative to its source), circular polarisation and a phase-locked loop control the microwave input to the thruster, which maximises thrust as it accelerates.

Critics say that according to the Newton's law of conservation of momentum, EM Drive theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to gain momentum in one direction, a propellant must be expelled in the opposite direction, while the EmDrive is a closed system.

EM drive inventor, Roger Shawyer claims that following fundamental physics involving the theory of special relativity, the EmDrive does in fact preserve the law of conservation of momentum and energy. Instead of using heavy, inefficient rocket fuel, it bounces microwaves back and forth inside a cone-shaped metal cavity to generate thrust that it could power NASA to Mars in just 70 days.




The NASA release is similar to the paper that was leaked online earlier in November and, most notably, shows that the drive does indeed produce 1.2 millinewtons per kilowatt of thrust in a vacuum:

To put that into perspective, the super-powerful Hall thruster, a type of ion thruster in which the propellant is accelerated by an electric field, generates force of 60 millinewtons per kilowatt, an order of magnitude more than the EM Drive. But the Hall thruster requires propellants, and that extra weight could offset the higher thrust, the team concludes. The Hall-effect thrusters trap electrons in a magnetic field and then use the electrons to ionize propellant, efficiently accelerate the ions to produce thrust, and neutralize the ions in the plume.

Light sails on the other hand, which are currently the most popular form of zero-propellant propulsion, only generate force up to 6.67 micronewtons per kilowatt – two orders of magnitude less than NASA's EM Drive, says the paper.

But the Eagleworks team stress that they were trying to prove whether or not the drive really works, rather than optimiizing performance in the tests, which means the EM Drive could get a lot more efficient with future testing.

The team also offers a hypothesis about how the drive actually works without contradicting the laws of physics: "[The] supporting physics model used to derive a force based on operating conditions in the test article can be categorised as a nonlocal hidden-variable theory, or pilot-wave theory for short."

Pilot-wave theory is a controversial interpretation of quantum mechanics that differs from th e Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics that states that particles do not have defined locations until they are observed, suggesting that particles do have precise positions at all times, but in order for this to be the case, the world must also be strange in other ways – which is why many physicists have dismissed the idea.

The NASA team suggests pilot-wave theory can help explain how the EM Drive produces thrust without appearing to propel anything in the other direction: "If a medium is capable of supporting acoustic oscillations, this means that the internal constituents were capable of interacting and exchanging momentum," the team writes.

"If the vacuum is indeed mutable and degradable as was explored, then it might be possible to do/extract work on/from the vacuum, and thereby be possible to push off of the quantum vacuum and preserve the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum."

The next step for NASA's EM Drive is for it to be tested in space. But it looks as though China has trumped NASA's plan, which is scheduled to happen in the coming months, with plans to launch the first EM Drive having been made back in September.

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I sure hope it actually works.. If China tests it and they can't get it to work, do you think they will tell the world they failed? I want to believe, but my gut says they got some of the math wrong and it won't scale up as expected. Wow would it be cool if this works and then so much of what we think we know needs to be totally reexamined. I love that China is pushing this and that should push us to get going faster! China vs. USA in future space race..... first one to discover life beyond earth... or get Humans to live long term on Mars wins...

...please be real...please be real....

What does "math" have to do with a fundamentally novel discovery? Last time I calculated the effect, assuming a fission power plant, and assuming the same force generated as with NASA's lab prototype, it would take multiple years to get to Mars. Of course, if the effect can be improved by many orders of magnitude, then we could have something more than a lab curiosity. The "exciting" thing about EM drive is IF it is real, then it demonstrates we don't understand physics nearly as well as we thought we did. My suspicion is that the effect is due to leakage/contamination of/by either electric or magnetic fields which weren't adequately accounted for. There are a lot of 'effects' which while unexplained have failed to be replicated. It would be cool if this isn't one of them.

September 2016 Paul March of Eagleworks does two hours on the drive at the Breakthrough Propulsion Workshop in Estes Park, Colorado (and says that the Chinese "don't have ****"). November the digital paper comes out. December 12th The Space Studies Institute releases the complete video of Paul March's presentation on their YouTube Channel. Scant hours later the Chinese make an announcement.

Prestige and Face are big motivators, looking forward to seeing who actually flies first with openness to international verification and testing.

well, That's how we got to the Moon with competition between the US and the Soviet Union.

Competition is the best way to inspire future tech. I'm with you Gator...please be real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Gator, are you trying to argue the Chinese are bad at math? I'm certain they know far more than your gut ever will.

"Well Xiang, if it doesn't work, at least we'll have a helluva microwave oven on our hands."

I own Mars! No trespassing!

Fortunately for the EM Drive... the critics who say it violates the Laws of Conservation of Momentum are way out to Lunch. For an object to move in one direction, you do not have to have an expellent moving in the opposite direction. Don't believe me... just look around. Unfortunately, the Law of Conservation of Momentum does apply. The thrust that is produced is the result of the photons of EM energy colliding with the inside of the drive. With the photon being of such infinitesimally small mass, the forces created will never amount to anything useful.

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