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Much of the current thinking about advanced extraterrestrial life that may be a million to a billion years more advanced that the human species, depicts life forms that have evolved into intelligent AI-powered machines. Even Stephen Hawking has recently asked "Why isn't the Milky Way crawling with intelligent machines."

SETI chief astronomer, Seth Shostak says: "If you look at the timescales for the development of technology, at some point you invent radio and then you go on the air and then we have a chance of finding you," he told BBC News."But within a few hundred years of inventing radio - at least if we're any example - you invent thinking machines; we're probably going to do that in this century. So you've invented your successors and only for a few hundred years are you... a 'biological' intelligence."

But what if advanced super-intelligent life is no longer matter based? What id they exist at a higher level concept than matter. Are matter and information all there is? asks Paul Davies, physicist and astrobiologist at Arizona State University. Five hundred years ago,he says, the very concept of a computer, a device manipulating information, or software, would have been incomprehensible. Might there still be a higher level he asks as yet outside all human experience that organizes information in the same way that information-processing organizes electrons."

Davies envisions an alien technology that: Is not made of matter; has no fixed size or shape; has no well-defined boundaries or topology; is dynamical on all scales of space and time; or, conversely, does not appear to do anything at all that we can discern; does not consist of discrete, separate things; rather, it is a system, a subtle higher-level of things.

This alien technology is "nature plus." Technology is in the broadest sense according to Davies, mind or intelligence or purpose blending with nature. It's technology that harnesses the laws of physics; it does not override them. To say that a radio or a laser or a monolith on the Moon is "unnatural," doesn't mean it isn't part of nature; it's nature plus.

Just as quantum weirdness is detected only with special apparatus, so alien technology might go undetected and unsuspected --it may exist in a realm beyond current human capabilities and evolution. A third, or fourth, or fifth realm millions of years evolved beyond the age of homo sapiens.

The image at the top of page shows the nuclear region of the galaxy NGC 4151 about 1000 light-years across. Blue is radio emission, green is optical emission from ionized oxygen as seen with the Hubble Space Telescope, and red is X-ray emission as seen by the Chandra X-ray Observatory. The X-ray data represent the first such fine-scale X-ray imaging of an extreme galaxy nucleus.


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Image credit: NASA/Chandra X-ray Observatory/Hubble Space Telescope, and Wang et al., 2009

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If radio and TV transmissions were incomprehensible to someone that lived a few hundred years ago, what would alien technology a few thousand, or even million years advanced look like to us.
Remember: Any civilization, sufficiently advanced, would appear as magic!"

Yep, just another frequency that has not come into out focus yet. The old belief that what we do not see does not exist is finally being replaced by the infinitely possible.

We have to be honest - we do not know what to look for! In hindsight, scourging the skies for a radio transmission from an alien civilization seems so naive. But that is all we can do today as we go through our lives transmitting stray radio signals from planet earth.

Alien intelligence and information may be all around us right now, but we cant identify it, just like a palm tree would have no idea of the various radio signals that criss-cross the space that it occupies.

In the sixties, the visionaries "envisioned" domed climate-controlled cities, with moving sidewalks and talking robots in every home. People would commute to work in jet-cars; yes, it was to be like the cartoon show "The Jetsons". They *envisioned this happening in the 1980s ! So I have to take all visionary predictions with several grains of salt.:-)

So what are we describing, a holy spirit?

Intelligent gas cloud, like in Star Trek

our intelligent technology life is about 100-150 years old, since then we began creating machines, before that we were just agricultural beings, since then we progress a lot, technology progressed exponentially. Where would you think we will be in another 100 years evolving exponentially, what about 1000? what about 1 million years, we will be evolved beyond current comprehension(e.g. pure energy) or we be dead by our own doings.

But what is 1000 years in comparison with the 13.7(probably much more) billions of the universe, not much. With the exponential technology growth, 1000years will be enough to differentiate us from ants or aliens from us. With a gap that big they will not want to talk to us, because we don't expect the ants or in fact any other animals to understand GSM or Internet. If they communicate over solar systems or galaxies it is logical they will not use radio nor light but something much faster such as quantum entanglement to overcome the distances and the cosmos dust and gases that will block the transmission after a certain distance.

What are the chances that we and a neighboring alien are in the same +/- 1000 years of technical evolution? well, is 0.00000074% for timeline; divided by so called local presence(our galaxy) will give a rough 0.00000000000000000074% chances.

SETI is a great tool that combined with Hubble, Spritzer, WISE and all other telescopes provide a more or less complete picture of the universe combining data to create a complete wave length spectrum vision of the universe from radio to light to microwave. STOP ADVERTISING THAT YOU WILL FIND ALIENS, there is nothing to find in our vicinity of time and space, just get you grants by supporting science and astronomy ...

Ribosomes are the functional equivalents of carbon nanotubes !
The reason alien machines do not flood outer space, is because they too must compete for existence and survival like living matter. Proteins and DNA self-assemble on carbon nanotubes, near absolute zero temperatures in vacuum conditions. Alien machines even nanobots that self-assemble and replicate by buckyballs and carbon nanotubes, believed common everywhere including outer space, have to compete and often face extinction.

http://holographicgalaxy.blogspot.com

It's quite a talent and ability to have the capability to become invisible to survive. Greatest tool I could ever imagine. Mean and cold-blooded so many of our rich are. Not to mention the MURDERS they pay others to commit. In fact, I think they've turned our military into armies of 'hit-men'. Would you reveal urself if you came from another planet right away to just anyone? I darn sure wouldn't after I had watched seen all the evil that man does here...

An advance form of intelligence that is a billion years ahead of us...would perhaps have the ability to manipulate exotic physics of the universe (currently unknown to us) that goes beyond eternity.

A thirst for scientific knowledge that has taken them to the forefront of universal creation. Perhaps they experiment with creating "Universes". It would be no wonder there has been no contact...we are amoebas to them.

Perhaps they come here occasionally to experiment or send their youth here to play as if in science class for us.

Those 'visionaries' as far back as the '40s were imagining what the world would look like in 1960 (same images). But they never considered issues like pollution, economics, crime, further world conflicts and poverty...and the stubborness of people to hold on to old mores and values.

*Roughly para-phrased from (the late) Walter Cronkite in The 21st Century

How do you know the universe, or a collection of nearby universes do not generate a higher conscience somewhere, it sure does look somewhat like a collection of nerve cells on some simulations.

This is true , it is a form of organic intelligence that 3rd dimension humans cannot see. It is base on light energy that is within all things. The origin is called creator, and love is the force behind this light energy.Within this light is levels of awareness and libraries of knowledge. There is a force of collective knowledge that creates mater and function , it cannot be quantified or calculated the source simply is.It is very similar to how nature works , it is a divine rule of order , much like the rule of universal peaceful thoughts , this is powered by GODS will. It would more brain cells to comprehend what the organic technology is than humans have. Even a culmination of all the people on Earth would not have enough brain power to perceive the logic and function of organic space craft.

This is true , it is a form of organic intelligence that 3rd dimension humans cannot see. It is base on light energy that is within all things. The origin is called creator, and love is the force behind this light energy.Within this light is levels of awareness and libraries of knowledge. There is a force of collective knowledge that creates mater and function , it cannot be quantified or calculated the source simply is.It is very similar to how nature works , it is a divine rule of order , much like the rule of universal peaceful thoughts , this is powered by GODS will. It would more brain cells to comprehend what the organic technology is than humans have. Even a culmination of all the people on Earth would not have enough brain power to perceive the logic and function of organic space craft.

I meant to say " it would take more brain cells to comprehend ....

Don't worry Brian, that didn't make any sense anyways. :)

Don't worry Brian, that didn't make any sense anyways. :)

Don't worry Brian, that didn't make any sense anyways. :)

" The origin is called creator, and love is the force behind this light energy "

Love: Black holes,gamma rays,supernovas,radiation,toxic gas clouds,asteroids smashing planets...

Brian,the creator is a sadistic prick.

Kyle, you seem to be trapped in a temporal loop!

good

I believe in God and prey everyday, but I think religion and it's followers are severely hampering our chances of existing for a longer time than we currently will. If also like to point out that interpreting things you don't understand(... Who really does anyway, as science updates itself in a regular basis and we barely know our own planet) in relation to any religion is like proudly wearing a "Dunce" hat and grinning at others, so as to convince them to wear it too. If you're going to preach, then do it through an act of kindness or something lovingly constructive!... As compared to wasting people's time on a website and making yourself look like jack-ass! God doesn't need a lawyer or an interpreter!

"Prey?" Is that to say you prey on other smaller creatures than yourself?

Given the hypothetical number of potential societies in the perceived universe would it be safe to assume that they have all developed intellectually at different rates and that our potentially simple efforts at contact would at least find some takers at the lower end of our perception of an advanced intelligence?

Who's to say an alien is an alien? What if human civilization was around way before recorded...isn't it possible that technology was advance way back then and people polluted the earth.and simply left for nature to repair the atmosphere.after a long period of time metal objects tend to rust so there wouldn't be any physical evidence. I think aliens are really nothing more then humans that found ways to ginectly enhance the DNA to their max potential..and simply found another earth like planet that could sustain life.maybe there waiting for us to become equal in technology so we can finally be one..and to say aliens do exist wouldn't it cause problems with religion and god?

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