Radical New Theory: "Our Universe may be the interior of a black hole existing in another universe” (Today's Most Popular)

“Our own Universe may be the interior of a black hole existing in another universe.” In a remarkable paper about the nature of space and the origin of time, Nikodem Poplawski, a physicist at Indiana University, suggests that a small change to the theory of gravity implies that our universe inherited its arrow of time from the black hole in which it was born.

Poplawski says that the idea that black holes are the cosmic mothers of new universes is a natural consequence of a simple new assumption about the nature of spacetime. Poplawski points out that the standard derivation of general relativity takes no account of the intrinsic momentum of spin half particles. However there is another version of the theory, called the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama theory of gravity, which does.

This theory predicts that particles with half integer spin should interact, generating a tiny repulsive force called torsion. In ordinary circumstances, torsion is too small to have any effect. But when densities become much higher than those in nuclear matter, it becomes significant. In particular, says Poplawski, torsion prevents the formation of singularities inside a black hole.

Astrophysicists have long known that our universe is so big that it could not have reached its current size given the rate of expansion we see now. Instead, they believe it grew by many orders of magnitude in a fraction of a second after the Big Bang, the period known as known as inflation.

Poplawski's approach immediately solves the inflation problem, saying that torsion caused this rapid inflation, which means the universe as we see it today can be explained by a single theory of gravity without any additional assumptions about inflation.

Another important corollary of Poplawski's approach is that it makes it possible for universes to be born inside the event horizons of certain kinds of black hole where torsion prevents the formation of a singularity but allows energy density to build up, which leads to the creation of particles on a massive scale via pair production followed by the expansion of the new universe. "Such an expansion is not visible for observers outside the black hole, for whom the horizon's formation and all subsequent processes occur after infinite time," says Poplawski. For this reason, he emphasizes, the new universe is a separate branch of space time and evolves accordingly.

Poplawski's theory also suggests an solution lto why time seems to flow in one direction but not in the other, even though the laws of physics are time symmetric.

Poplawski says the origin of the arrow of time comes from the asymmetry of the flow of matter into the black hole from the mother universe. "The arrow of cosmic time of a universe inside a black hole would then be fixed by the time-asymmetric collapse of matter through the event horizon," he says.. Translated, this means that our universe inherited its arrow of time from its source. "Daughter universes," he says, "may inherit other properties from their mothers," implying that it may be possible to detect these properties, providing an experimental falsifiable proof of his idea.

Casey Kazan via Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1007.0587: Cosmology With Torsion - An Alternative To Cosmic Inflation

Comments

[Nuel2080]

pretty far-fetched but still credible it would be nice to know that if the universe was created inside a black hole then where did the black hole come from is it on another universe?

[Observer]

Did you even read the article Nuel2080, look at the title it answers your question.

[Chris]

"...the period known as known as inflation."

[NathronIstar]

I hereby dub this! Plausible.

I'm putting it at the number two spot on my semi-crazy ideas of the universe that I think might be true. Number one is still occupied by my all time favorite "the entire universe is a computer simulation".

[Simon Jackson, BEng.]

And those repelling protons in nuclei do what when time is reversed? Time symmetric my arse ...

[Red Shift]

This link shows a slightly better explanation:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm

But I suggest you read his paper instead. Just be prepared for mind boggling mathematics.

[Red Shift]

This link shows a slightly better explanation:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm

But I suggest you read his paper instead. Just be prepared for mind boggling mathematics.

[Observer]

My #1 theory for the Universe is that the Universe is a single molecule in some large animals poop.

[Red Shift]

This link shows a slightly better explanation:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm

But I suggest you read his paper instead, just be ready for mind boggling mathematics.

[Dominic]

Really? Really?! I don't think this should rise to the level of "theory". A theory should be falsifiable or at least testable. I haven't read the referenced paper, nor am I familiar with the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama theory of gravity. But perhaps someone could explain to a dumb serf like myself exactly how the F one could ever test this type of "theory".

Meanwhile, the whole "simulations" notion is, I think, just as plausible as this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

[villageyokel]

So if this it true. Then every time we fire up CERN and create a micro black hole are we creating a micro universe in another universe?

Yikes, its bad enough and dangerous enough that we struggle to become masters of our own universe. Let alone unwittingly being 'gods' of other universes inside of other universes.

Unless of course I get to fire up CERN and create my own micro black hole and micro universe. I shall call my universe SPARKY-A-GO-GO and I shall be a stupid, wrathful god.
BTW where do I sign up to press the green button at CERN?

[steve stevensen]

oh man another crazy idea about the universe but just might be possible. i just hope before i die the real answer comes out...come on CERN, you can do it!

[voldemort theconquestador]

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes very interesting!!!!

[jim henson]

Torsion described by Poplawski should be considered as Hooke's Law of motion for a spring. Hooke's Law is Newtonian Gravity for plasma star spheres around galactic black holes. The force increases the greater the distance from the center of the galactic black hole. This causes fictious needs for extra gravity by dark matter when tiny dwarf galaxies have mostly outer distant stars that don't fly away apart from the galaxy. The Big-Bang model invented the need for dark matter, if instead a mini-big bang occured,then the Kaslinsky dark flow would be the largest black hole 150 billion light years away yet to discover. The fine-structure constant likely varies in space and time according to John Webb, and this means the strength of gravity varies and all known laws of physics vary in the universe. The laws of physics are largely unknown in black holes, and perhaps the only true objective reality that is independent of the observer that supports classical science are infinite sizes everywhere of black holes, and not one giant black hole like Poplawski says is the universe. No matter the scale of Poplawski universe, you can always zoom out in enough scale, so that his model of the universe becomes an insignificant speck, or zoom into a mini-black hole traveling at light speed, and perhaps see stars and galactic structures that are fractally self-similar in appearance to the great walls of superclusters that take many more billions of years to form that the age of the big-bang.

[voldemort theconquestador]

yes yes yes yes yes very interesting jimmy

[voldemort theconquestador]

tis i voldemort, who dares not reply to my galactic black hole comments

[Kirk]

It's like these black holes are like clouds raining drops of universe

[Ivar Nielsen]

THE NOTHINGNESS OF A "BLACK HOLE AND OF THIS ARTICLE.

The whole ting is just wearing "The Emperors Clothes"!

Quote from http://www.milesmathis.com/black.html
"The central error in the current theory of black holes concerns the singularity that is supposed to inhabit the center of the hole.

This singularity is a mathematical outcome of the math of General Relativity, but I have attacked this math from many different angles in an array of papers. Firstly, I have shown that the singularity is a zero, and that the zero cannot exist in any differential math.

A mathematical field led to the prediction of the black hole, and mathematical fields have led to all the current speculation about the properties of black holes.

In my paper on the foundations of the calculus, I showed that an axiomatic muddle that goes all the way back to Euclid is to blame for this misunderstanding, and I showed precisely how this muddle had affected and been extended by Descartes, Newton, and many others.

Put in a nutshell, the point can exist in a real field only, but never in a mathematical field. The zero-dimension point cannot enter any equations defined by cardinal or counting numbers.

This mistake infected calculus from the beginning (http://www.milesmathis.com/are.html)and it still infects all of contemporary math and science, since all higher math is founded on differential equations", unquote.

“Our own Universe may be the interior of a black hole existing in another universe” - which of course accordingly to modern “science” itself supposedly once was born out of another mathematical non existent singularity according to the impossible Big Bang theoretical brain-math-spin.

Regarding the Einstein-Cartan-Kibble-Sciama theoretical theory, just google "general relativity flaws" and then forget the hole thing about this article. Or just read here http://aias.us/documents/uft/paper103.pdf

As mentioned above: "The zero-dimension (singularity/black hole/big bang) - point cannot enter any equations defined by cardinal or counting numbers".

Period and end of black holes, big bang and multiple universes inside each other! It’s all nothing but a mathematical scam!

Natural Philosopher
Ivar Nielsen

[jim henson]

The universe will always have more larger black holes then even the largest Dark Flow singularity that is 150 billion light years away. Infinite black holes of all event horizon sizes collide or reinforce ultimately no beginning in time, no finite relatively assigned 14.6 BY age, to the universe. the universe is unborn and not a new beginning like the fictious big-bang theory. Hawking says no equation theory of everything can be derived from reality that may not make sense to talk about such as no agreement on what the universe is. throw in a varying fine-structure constant where gravitational strength weakens because of larger black holes like the dark flow alpha dipole, and perhaps the universe has no laws of permanence only transitory reality of time

[shahid ali]

there is a mention in the Holy Quran that outside the universe there is only darkness and water...i think Nikodem Poplawski,is endorsing that by his research...

[Ultra ben]

Religion belongs to caveman and should be dealt with accordingly.

[Justin]

I've kind of thought about it like that our universe is in a black hole. But it's kind of hard to play out in your head. Because that would mean that time flows in a black hole. Such as it is a gateway to another universe. I was thinking that whoever or whatever created the universe created the most destructive thing that leads to other universes, in a way, they want you in this universe and only this universe. So you can't go to another universe and take control of it. That wouldn't be fair to other life. They figure out a way to keep things fair in a way with this. It seems that a galaxies life is processed by a blackhole, and I wonder if you can somehow see the past of the galaxies life through it.

[Ray Bilcliff]

Every galaxy has a black hole at the center which swallows everything in it's own galaxy eventually. Then all that is left is black holes the biggest black hole then swallows all the rest and gets the burps and it all starts again.

[ben]

I suggest haiving a watch/listen to Nassim Haramein..... he may not have diploma's or certificates of awesomeness from harvard or whatever...but the idea of our universe being a blackhole was first introduced to me, by him. I don't agree with all his thoughts, epecially those to do with HISTORY etc, but I did find his vibe to be one of positivity, creativeness and over all niceness.

you tube him..... Nassim Haramein, crossing the event horizon....

peace on!!

ben

[Cory]

I may not have a PhD in astrophysics, but I believe that Poplawski makes a very valid theory to the beginning of our universe. Some of you are saying that our universe exists inside of a black hole, but that is not completely accurate. If Hawking radiation is accurate (which most tests have proven so), the black hole our universe was created from may no longer exist. Also, when a hypergiant goes hypernova, the black hole it creates sucks up as much energy possible, while it exudes the energy beyond it's gravitaional pull. To think that this energy is turned into nothing, well, just close your minds now. This theory makes much more sense than the big bang theory, and opens our eyes to the idea of multiverses. Again, I just love this stuff and love hearing everyones thoughts on these things. But yet again, how do we know that we are not just part of a dream, and when that someone, or something wakes up, we are gone. (Theory I had in the 8th grade when posed how we came to be)